Don’t handle a loaded firearm unless it is absolutely necessary. I SO don’t care if dumbazzes shoot their “parts” off…just don’t shoot me or anyone else. Crime and Incident Statistics; Facilities Management; Financial Services and Insurance; Firearms Licensing; Fixed Penalty Notices and Safety Cameras; Fleet; Human Resources and Training ; Human Resources and Training; Local Policing; Operational Policing; Organisational Information; Procurement; Professional Standards; Roads Policing and Firearms; Safeguarding and Custody; 2021 Disclosure … The geometry and physics required don’t add up. There isn’t a respected trainer in the country today who does not endorse AIWB. When they shoot against the timer, they lean forward and are trying to get on target. I’ve seriously considered AIWB carry because of its speed and utility, but I just can’t get over the high cost of a mistake. Rendering first aid to an attacker, especially if you really don’t know what you’re doing, is the stupidest advice I’ve ever heard. If firearms safety protocol is followed 100% of the time, NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE can be AVOIDED. If it doesn’t your competition isn’t serious. This set of eight critical appraisal tools are designed to be used when reading research. Real men can shoot their junk off if it makes them feel better. Fortunately, there is a nice pocket right behind my femur where a gun fits very nicely. Awib is so hawt right now. (212) 419-8286. Typical OWB carry points the muzzle toward the ground. Quite simply the potential damage from a momentary act of screwing up is less when carrying with the line of unintended destruction traveling anywhere but things like femoral arteries and reproductive organs. There are very few circumstances I’d give Appendix a credible consideration. “Just put the gun down somewhere instead of reholstering after a defensive gun use.” Not a bad plan, but what if you need it again quickly? You MUST make sure that your finger is OFF the trigger when you get the gun out and keep it out of the trigger guard until you get the gun up into the threat area. IF i come up from behind and throw u down to the ground face first with a skull crushing blow ur done…. During WWII Smith and Wesson designed the moon clip to allow .45ACP hardball to be used in revolvers. But what people think they do and what they actually do are often two different things. A DA pistol with an exposed hammer goes a LONG way towards mitigating the risks of shooting yourself. Safety rule for appendix carry. AIWB carry is perfectly fine if you’re not a fat ass moron (millennial)…. Is it possible? A guy who thought there was such a thing as glass triggers. This is pure logic. You can rest your thumb on the hammer when re-holstering and you will know it is safe. These days i carry on my hip or iwb above my butt cheek. Most of them involve double action revolvers. Hello Anyone??? Seeing that happen gave me the habit of slow re-holstering and made me very unlikely to try AIWB. Granted, appendix carry offers good concealment and fast presentation. To say nothing of the folks who think they can buy skills in a bubble-pack on aisle three of their local Cabela’s or Academy Sports. Is It Safe to Store Guns and Ammo in a Hot... [FIRST REVIEW] The New Ruger-57 5.7x28mm Pistol. I’m not sure it’s even physically possible that the retention on holster can cause a trigger to be pressed to the point of discharge. I’ve heard AIWB practitioners explain away some of these risks. You will either blow off your reproductive organs, or put a bullet through your femoral artery like the guy in this article. The fact of the matter is that a practiced AIWB time to first shot is appreciably faster than probably any other concealed draw stroke. If it was dangerous they wouldn’t make holsters for it. You have to turn off literally billions of years of biology to do it. I switched to Appendix because it made sense for me, no shoulder pain, no printing, fast draw from sitting position (from my car seat), can unholster from my weakhand, I can roll onto my back. In fact, any method of carry is safe (or at least safer) with a carry holster. Attributing this to appendix carry or any other style of carry is absurd. My firearm has never spontaneously gone off on its own, and I NEVER reholster with the holster in place. The purpose of the basic rules of safety is to mitigate bad consequences from the screw-ups that WILL and DO happen to even the most seasoned professionals. 197 Encourage employees with specialized knowledge to conduct safety training. Advantages are obvious and some not so obvious but concealability, the ability to draw and present while seated in the car seat belted in, and probably the most important, it’s fast, REAL fast. Just bending over and putting force on a firearm in an unexpected way could cause a malfunction. It’s a free country but probably should google “glock leg” or stick to double action/exposed hammers if you must to keep that control. He was carrying OWB at 3:00 so he didn’t die but he was still seriously hurt. Running drills and such at a range. Read Also: Appendix carry vs 4 o’clock carry. “U” can thank me later when go home to the ki …oh, please, don’t do that either. So although you MIGHT be a firearms engineer, you sure sound like a FUDD TO ME! Second, he’d only owned the gun 3 months. Well never mind. Until then, follow Darryl’s writing at DB’s Shooting Adventures on Facebook. If he’d been carrying strong side, he’d almost certainly still be alive, not because it would have prevented the ND, but because it WOULD have prevented the ND from having such terrible consequences. Switched to a vp9 and it's hard for me to get past having a gun with no safety pointed at my man parts. If you at least, ALWAYS keep a firearm pointed in a SAFE direction you can avoid injury or death!!! The Contractor shall comply with all applicable legislative safety, health and environmental (SHE) requirements of Singapore including any new acts and regulations which may be gazetted during the Contract period including any amendments or re-enactments thereto. It wasn’t a carry pistol, but a 5″ barrel home defense pistol. How about your sons? 2. At that point, you’ll have the rest of your life to regret your carry method…which won’t be very long. I’ve been shooting for nearly five decades and have a number of instructor ratings. Make sure you wear a hat to cover that point on top of your head. Point and case. If you can’t holster your gun with the holster in place, YOU should not be using that holster at all. Build the neural pathway through consistent training to tip the hips up to draw and to reholster WITH good trigger discipline WHILE slowly and smoothly looking the gun back into the holster. MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN — Last week, a man died trying to reholster his pistol. Getting on the trigger before you’re on target will get you DQ’d whether you’re using an unsafe carry style or not. But the heavy DA first pull on my P229 and decades of experience lend itself well to AIWB carry. If you don’t have anything inside the trigger guard when holstering, I don’t care what kind of pressure there is, you are not going to fire your weapon. You can even keep your hand on the gun at all times and who’s going to know? is: Department of Mines, Industry Regulation and Safety, 2020, Safety performance in the Western Australian mineral industry — accident and injury statistics 2018-19: Department of Mines, Industry Regulation and Safety, Western Australia, 49 pp. They either made a minor mistake, or got clothes/belt loop/seat belt caught inside the trigger guard & BOOM. Opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one. Otherwise, don’t fkn worry about how I carry my pistol…… you’re wife doesn’t seem to mind how I carry my pistol , Dude this community is full of FUDDs. Guess you’ve never heard of DOA pistols…. Accident statistics Reporting incidents Reporting accidents Emergencies Absence from work Accident investigations Guidance note 2 The reporting of accidents and dangerous occurrences Appendix I: Major Injuries, Dangerous Occurrences, Reportable Diseases Appendix II: Accident report form template I have seen guys point guns straight into their hips or sides while fishing them into the holster in both of those styles of holster. If raw speed is your primary goal, then why not pocket carry a revolver? My brother tells me he would prefer appendix carry, but he had his removed. As a group, they had very good first aid training. This type of cancer spreads easily and can be deadly. As for some comfort, prior to sitting down, I simply pull up my pants a little. The biggest problem I see isn’t using a cheap holster, it’s snagging part of your cover garment when you re-holster. How many pairs of pants or jackets do you go through in an average month training? Especially for striker-fire or light trigger firearms, any pressure applied due to an incorrect or poorly angled insertion can result in a negligent discharge. ACS stands for Appendix Carry System. Blaming the holster for his death is the same mindset as blaming the gun for any shooting. She went right into surgery and then spent a week or more in intensive care, having ruptured her femoral in three places. I’ve carried AIWB for years. I’ve never had to touch my gun and (hopefully) never will, so to my mind my gun should be the least obtrusive thing on me. EMTs responded quickly from a nearby station and got her to an ER most riki-tik, pumping fluids into her during the ambulance ride. I know appendix carry enjoys increasing popularity among a lot of people including a good number of younger shooters. rcel.type = 'text/javascript'; 0 1.0 INTRODUCTION This document is Islington Council’s Annual Health and Safety Performance Report for the financial year 2016-2017. The issue of negligent discharges. That is not a reason to select the highest risk of death option. Everything we do with firearms has the inherent risk of the firearm discharging, this is why we have the basic safety rules. Any gun that can be concealed this way can be done so between 3 o’clock and 9 o’clock (lefty). If you will recall the recent Texas church shooting in which one poor gentleman took an excessively long time to draw his weapon, and was killed, then you can see that there is at least some value in a quick practiced draw stroke from a location that is readily available whether standing or sitting. It’s hard to claim these rules are sacred, then turn around and break one of them all day, every day. [This post was originally published in 2016.]. There are a number of factors not known in this case – namely whether his finger was anywhere near the trigger, the type of holster he was using, etc. When they “practice” , they arch their back when they draw. I think people overthink this all too much. It would be dopey – you bend over, kneel down, run and the your thigh bumps the holster up or it digs into your gut. If so, are you willing to wear that jacket everywhere, all year long, whether it is hot or cold? But these aren’t safety comments :”It also seems to be the choice of many keyboard commandos who want to be just like their heroes in the gun community. I said safety rule. The reality, I suspect, based of many of the comments here and on my own anecdotal experiences, is that most who criticize AIWB have never tried it, never timed it, never timed their preferred draw, and really are just dog piling based on RULE #1, which everyone who carries violates – AIWB muzzles your junk, IWB anywhere else muzzles your feet or your ass, OWB muzzles feet of those you stand close to, Pocket carry muzzles everyone whenever you sit down, shoulder carry either muzzles feet or everyone behind you, depending on type of holster, and last but not least, when you disarm and place your weapon on the nightstand, either in or out of the holster, you muzzle yourself and all of your family members that walk past the nightstand. Why not a 2 pound gun? 1.2. The following was posted previously on TTAG and elsewhere online regarding appendix carry. Been carrying sa/da pistols for years. I have an Alien Gear stealth something holster and not only are the clips are ripping out of the material, but they always getting hung up on something. Tedium is part of practice. When holstering your pistol check to make sure the safety is on. So maybe somebody can point me to statistics or something that show that appendix carry isn't any more dangerous than anything else. “Something I have noticed when shooting with others is their tendency to get on the trigger waaaaay before they are on target.”. 5. With the FNX and my hands, the safety almost automatically comes off when I put my thumbs in place. Why? Nicely done. In accordance with the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007, statistics based on the Home Office Homicide Index have been re-assessed against the Code of Practice for Official Statistics and found to meet the required standard for designation as National Statistics. I don’t plan on ever getting in a gun fight, but I constantly handle my firearm, so that’s what’s best for me and my piece of mind. I’ve donned my asbestos suit as I expect a few flaming arrows for taking on a topic that a lot of people consider a sacred cow. This of course gets us back to the making personal decisions, whose potential consequences, both good and bad, are acceptable to you. I’ve researched this in the past and there have been fatalities attributed to appendix carry. Not that it is impossible to shoot yourself in the femoral artery while holstering on your right hip, it is simply far less likely than when the holstered gun would normally point that way. Please don’t handle firearms. The clip allows the extractor to push against it to extract the empty cases. There are WAY more fudd idiots posting here than I thought…. I trained appendix for my CCW classes and I still practice my draw stroke daily. In the event of a pedestrian accident, the authorities will carry out an investigation to establish if the driver may have violated these traffic rules. Since the barrel of the carry gun rests over the leg - or if anchored closer to the fly, something even more sensitive - meaning that if an accidental discharge were to occur, you're getting hit. ALWAYS KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION. Now, negligent discharge is not always the verbiage used when discussing this issue. The rate of accidents seem unusually concentrated around the very people who are over represented amongst those who write about guns. Sure, it gets tedious at the range. “every holster manufacturer that makes holsters for IWB have specific instructions NOT to re-holster while the holster is still in the waistband”. I only actuate the safety when holstering my weapon. As I recall, she was talking with another person when her gun fired. And even in THAT case, his friend that you don’t know about is still a threat. Appendix carry is not allowed in the program, but what you do outside of class is your business. I have been to many ranges around the country where they prohibit appendix carry holsters, cross draw, and shoulder holsters due to Rule #2. Darryl is currently writing a book about the history of formal firearms training throughout the 20th century. We have so many tards here….carry appendix is more for the ladies & that is fine as long as they acknowledge the inherent risk…..and the fact if they get slammed on their face they will never get to their gun…if they survive the crash on their face…oh yeah men too…. I have also spent a lot of money, training time, and real world carry time utilizing the appendix carry. b. I long-ago decided that the only safe way for me to carry a striker-fired pistol was in the four o’clock position AND to holster/re-holster it with the holster dismounted from my belt. When it’s seated, I deactivate the safety. 2 Accident and incident reporting guideline 3rd edition 2 Accidents 2.1 Reportable injury The Act requires that an accident on a mining operation must be reported if it causes an injury that prevents a person from returning to his or her duties as they were being performed at the time of the accident. The discussion was about revolvers and pistols, and their differences. Here’s the bottom line… this dead guy reholstered his gun with his finger in the trigger guard. I saw a guy shoot himself in the leg while re-holstering. ... and he almost certainly had no formal instruction in how to use an appendix carry holster. ACS abbreviation stands for Appendix Carry System. The hard interior plastic snapped apart on the edges, dug through the neoprene and was stabbing me until I clipped it off. I’ve been concealed carrying for ten years and none of my pistols have had safeties on them (all striker fired). AIWB isn’t for everyone. I’m comfortable with it now, but also very careful when holstering / re-holstering. +1 for long heavy triggers on pistols. Your opinion of YES is flawed because you assume AIWB users will error while all other IWB/OWB carriers will not. Didn’t bother reading past this laughable statement. Pointed at your femoral, or reproductive organs isn’t pointed in a safe direction, or at something you’re willing to destroy. 2 Health and Safety Code §11364.7, subdivision (a), provides, in pertinent part: “Except as authorized by law, it is a misdemeanor for any person to deliver, furnish, or transfer, or to possess with intent to deliver, furnish or transfer, or to manufacture with intent to deliver, furnish or transfer, drug Some of those were really hilarious! So, you have to decide whether that matters to you or not and whether you are willing to bear the potential costs. . I know. I don’t appendix carry because I’m very attached to my nads, literally and figuratively, and do not wish to be detached. Carrying DA/SA makes more sense, but most people seem to hate those. Fortunately with appendix carry, it’s only the idiot that gets shot. I’m the same way. Thanks for the morning guffaw! To me it’s a solution in search of a problem while holding one’s nards hostage at gunpoint. Appendix E Local Government reorganisation and the Trunk Road Network. That’s not to say I always want to deal with the weight of a full size pistol but with appendix carry, I can be a … If I make a mistake holstering in my “late afternoon” carry position, at worst I get a new scar across my butt, but I’m not going to die of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Should be encouraged among the criminally inclined. Perhaps I should film these guys, cause they get pissed when you tell em they’re on the go pedal too soon. People get a striker fired pistol without a manual safety, then add an aftermarket super light trigger. First, take a look at the video below that shows the incident: The firearm is said to be […] Just like any other method of carry, practice, practice, and practice. Are you willing to bet your life on it? GENERAL SPECIFICATION APPENDIX A SAFETY, HEALTH AND … Always keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction. LEGAL REQUIREMENTS 1.1. 1. “Well, I take the holster out of my pants to reholster every time.” Sure you do. Are you coming out of the closet? Several carriers have told me that they can't carry appendix style because they have a ‘spare tire' around their waist. My 4 o’clock carry could result in ass or leg wound but my jewels won’t be destroyed. a. Anybody CAN screw up anything. Right. Negligent discharges also happen because clothing gets in the way. REAL MEN CARRY AIWB LOL;). Its easy for trainers to endorse appendix carry. Actually, a revolver has multiple chambers. 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